[ArmourK2x]

Looking for some(possibly a lot) of help.

ready for my first cycle (yes, ever)

I am close to where I want to be (6'1 187lbs 11%BF)

I have hit a wall in my training- I don't want to lose any more weight- but I want to get down to 6% bf. I really want something that will put on 5-6 lean lbs on me, but also allow me to continue to reduce bf.

I was hoping someone could provide suggestions on an 8 week cycle, I was hoping for something mild, a primo/winny stack has been suggested as well as primo/anavar, but I will defer to people who have far more knowledge than myself.

i am on a clean diet- don't drink- lift hard-
need help.

[admin1]

I would do it this way:
1. Cardio in the morning for 20-30 minutes on empty stomach, 3 times per week;
Weight training 5 times per week with supersets,as example you may use this training routine: Superset workout system for contest preparation. | MusclesProd.Com - BodyBuilding, Fitness and Steroids
2. Exclude bread and potatoes, eat rice, meat, fruits and vegetables.
3. Protein Shake immediately after training routine
4. Test P, Winny and Primo Stack
Weeks 1-12 Test P @100mg EOD
Weeks 7-12 Winny 50mg ED/EOD
Weeks 7-12 Primo 600mg/week split into 3 injections @200mg each

[ArmourK2x]

Admin this is where i'm not very knowledgeable- the first 3 things I have been doing religiously for the last 6 months- saw great results- just hit a wall- if i were to begin a cycle- would it be necessary to use test first? or would primo/winny alone allow me to see results- not looking for big gains- thanks for the insight

[Cornish_Celt]

I would do it this way:
Exactly the same as admin, points 1 to 3
but i would do a slightly different cycle:

Primobolan - week 1-8 @ 200-400mg
Winstrol tabs - week 1-6 @ 30-60mg per day
Clenbuterol - week 5 - 8 @ 60/80/100/120mcg

PCT of Clomid/Nolva

But, i would also add a small Testosterone base of 250mg per week purely to help with any libido problems.

[ArmourK2x]

with these cycles- take the primo 200-400mg/week for weeks 1-8,
do you start at 200mg and gradually increase so that by week 8 you are at 400?
do you pick a mg/week dosage and stick with it for the duration of the cycle?
or do you pyramid so you peak at 400 in the middle of the cycle?

Thanks for the clarification- definitely appreciate everyone's opinion.

[Cornish_Celt]

sorry didn't make that clear, primo is fairly safe, 200mg twice a week for 8 weeks with the winstrol i would pyramid it from 30mg upto a peak of 60mg ed,
and with the clen start off gradually and work up to maximum dose, there is no need to taper down off clen

[ArmourK2x]

thanks celt-

for the test-
250mg/week 1-8?

should I be taking the primo and test together on the same days - or there some benefit to taking them on different days...

[Cornish_Celt]

you can take the primo and test on the same day, its upto you, i would do the test all the way through

[Robbie]

Now its my turn LMAO ....

Sorry took so long to reply bro ...


Id do the following

Week 1 - 8 - Test P 50mg (mon, wed, fri) (just to keep libido up)
Week 1 - 4 - Winstrol 50mg Tabs ED (half in morning, half about 3pm)

Add Clen in starting from week 1 as follows ...

day 1 - 20mcg
day 2 - 40mcg
day 3 - 60mcg
day 4 - 80mcg
day 5 - 100mcg
day 6 - 14 120mcg
day 15 - 28 - OFF
day 29 - 42 - 120mcg ED
day 43 - 56 - OFF
day 56 - 70 - 120mcg ED

2 days after last test P shot - Start a PCT of nolva @ 20mg ED and Clomid @ 50mg ED for 14 days

Also you could add tbol for the 2 weeks of PCT but thats only a extra and abit more advanced .....