Where have I said all supplements are crap? I said that in my opinion you don't need all that crap. Don't take literally what was meant colloquially. So all medications have an immediate effect and supplements don't? I'm just going to leave that silliness alone. Perhaps you should read up on physiology and chemical reactivity.

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Brother I wasn't insulting you in any way.I said we agree.If I misread what you said,I apologize.Didn;t know you were so sensitive.You want a hug?? LOL

As for your remarks about drugs and supps having the same time duration on reactions being silliness,that's not worth a response because THAT is silliness and ignorance.

Now as for "READING" up on things,once again,you keep reading and i'll keep doing firsthand research by real life trial and error.When I do think of trying a new substance,I will absolutely read up on it but as I continue to say only after trying things for myself will I say what does or doesn't work for me.Not from what some lab nerd tells me.

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If I misinterpreted what you wrote, my apologies. LOL I'll settle for a hug. Let me try to briefly explain where I was coming from regarding reading your statement that supplements take time to work where a drug has an immediate reaction. Take caffeine for example. Caffeine is a drug but also sold as a supplement. Banned by the International Olympic Committee as a performance enhancing drug. Caffeines effects start within 30 minutes of ingestion. Caffeine is found in numerous pre-workout energy supplements. Doesn't take time to have an effect the response is fairly quick. That's just one example.

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