I think we should cut this guy a bit of slack fellas. As far as I can tell he's done nothing but research since he's been on the forum.

I told him straight away that I didn't rate and would never use clomid again but as he says GBN sell it as part of a complete cycle package. So it's not unreasonable to presume clomid is good enough for the cycle.

Yes he's jumped in a bit early by ordering but hopefully he won't actually start his cycle until he's satisfied he understands all he needs to know about serms and AI's and recognising sides etc etc. Hope you're reading this Jedi?

One good thing is that his first cycle is a straightforward test only cycle and that really shouldn't cause any problems.

Honestly, he's been asking me about absolutely everything and presumably asking loads of other people too. And as we all agree, there's so many differing opinions on just about everything its good to get a general consensus before making our own minds up because at some point we have to decide what we believe and what we don't!
If nothing else I think he realises he needs nolva as a back up.

Well, USPS says my package tracking is "originating post is preparing to dispatch this mail piece." That's how long I have. JUst kidding. I agree with you, and their premise for the most part. We should know what we're getting into. This isn't the kind of thing you do without knowing what is really going on. Part of the problem is, many people tell you there are no dangers. I knew better. But I know much more now from the people at this forum, and other sites I've been to. (This one is still my favorite).

I must admit, and some may remember, when I ordered, I was extremely concerned with legality and just flat out being scammed. I chose something that was a reasonable investment because I didn't want to lose out. I surely could have made a better choice. Heck, I ordered pins online, and now think I could have just got them here and knew they were GTG.

I'm not claiming I'm no newbie, because I am. Nor am I claiming that I am not worried about sides, because they concern me.

What I will claim is that I am not jumping off of a cliff without looking to make sure there is water at the bottom. I know there is water, now I'm making sure, 100% sure, that it's deep enough.

I really have come to the conclusion that starting the cycle without all backups is unwise. Although most say I won't have an issue, I really want to make sure.

Now there is something to be said for the thrill of jumping off a cliff without knowing what's at the bottom! That would be a thrill, right.

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once someone make up mind that they are doing a cycle i dont think people can change that
all can do is offer the advice you can give
and peoples advice will differ and choice of peoples preffered drugs/stack or PCT will differ

I totally agree. All those of us who have already taken the plunge can really do is help those who are about to with our knowledge and experience, good or bad.

Half the problem is, that it's not like trusting your best mate, it's like trusting your best mate's mate and that's not the same!

last post on this.
if you get gyno from test E
this game isnt for you

you should never use again if it happens

people go on and stay on for 10 years, and yes they were never scared

youre talking about 10 weeks and dying and stopping your liver

Most people (90%) dont even use PCT

3 weeks of research??????????????????????????????????????

you are swimming in deep waters here

as I said, you are not ready, and coming at this from a very beginner, uneducated, immature point of view

if you were buying your 3rd cycle now, having never started your first, you can say you are plannng ahead

but buying a bottle of test and clomid and saying you have a backup............................................ .......................................

Just because you don't agree with some of the dangers does not mean they don't exist. Some truly don't like to hear about them I guess. I posted a video last week explaining all of them. And I never claimed Clomid was my backup, not sure where you got that. I actually claimed another person said it could be used, but after researching and hearing others, I came to the conclusion I didn't agree. I didn't say I had backups, I said the opposite. I didn't actually say I was scared, you did. I said I was worried. And I'll iterate this again, if it doesn't worry you, perhaps you have not researched enough.

Who actually can honestly be deemed ready to do there first cycle, and who chooses when that point is reached. You can read all you want, but nothing beats your own experiences, and those of others.

Maturity isn't ignoring potential dangers, it's minimizing them to the full extent you can. Most take stories because they deem the potential sides to be less of a concern than the benefits, the same reason we take any medication.

Because it can shut down your liver, that is not speculation on my part. The liver stress/damage is not a side effect of steroid themselves, but is associated with the C17 alpha alkylate do compounds. They survive the first pass through the liver, but stress the organ. Injectables do the same to a lesser degree, but only when it leaves your body.

Have you ever heard of peliosis hepatitis, your liver developing blood filled cist. And some have even noted liver cancer. Some have claimed that gear has shut down the liver completely. It's something that should be monitored and a concern for all.

Maturity is not ignoring dangers like increase prothrombin time, or how long it takes for blood clots to form.

Or the lowering of HDL cholesterol, and increasing LDL cholesterol. Some can be mild on lipids, others harsh.

The high blood pressure during use is a real danger, especially for those who have had issues in the past. The conversion of estrogen builds up, water & salt levels elevate, and blood pressure goes up. You realize that is something to be genuinely concerned about. This can be compounded by added stress of intense lifting and weight gain.

There are worries about kidney cancer or other damage.

Having said that, almost all medications have risk. I understand that very well.


The Mayo Clinic, a highly respected medical source in the U.S. states the risk of steroid use is this: For Both men and women might experience:

Severe acne
Increased risk of tendinitis and tendon rupture
Liver abnormalities and tumors
Increased low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol (the "bad" cholesterol)
Decreased high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol (the "good" cholesterol)
High blood pressure (hypertension)
Heart and circulatory problems
Prostate gland enlargement
Aggressive behaviors, rage or violence
Psychiatric disorders, such as depression
Drug dependence
Infections or diseases such as HIV or hepatitis if you're injecting the drugs
Inhibited growth and development, and risk of future health problems in teenagers.

And how we get them poses an increased level of risk.
"This poses additional health risks because the drugs are either made in other countries and smuggled in or made in clandestine labs in the United States. Either way, they aren't subject to government safety standards and could be impure or mislabeled."


SO, if there are risk you know about that I don't, please share them with me.

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Interesting list, and your main concern is gyno??
Which incidently the Mayo Clinic does not mention.
A highly respected medical source? Maybe, where is the study they did on the subject?

Just because you put a write up like that does not mean you have a good knowledge of steroids, it just means you can "cut and paste".

Don't get me wrong I understand that you are trying to gain knowledge, but that knowledge cannot be gained in a matter of weeks, you'll still be learning in 25 years.

As for the statement on underground labs, if you're overly concerned about contaminated gear then spend a bit extra and buy pharmaceutical grade gear.

Just out of curiosity how old are you, I noticed in one of your write ups that you're a student?

How do you train, what's your diet like?

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I actually don't have much to say on this one. I am new too. I just extended my first cycle to ten weeks. Like the other's said, I think once u make that decision to run your first cycle, nothing is gonna stop you. It didn't me. I did my homework on it a bit, and still don't know much, but continue to learn more about it all the time. The sides from Clomid I thought were rare, but u guys definitely scared me away from it for sure. Sticking to Nolva. hahaha! Got some Aromaxyl for the next cycle cuz I am giving tren a go. I was under the assumption better safe than sorry. Anyway, I just had to comment on the "Mayo Clinic." There is no credible study on humans in the U.S. about long term steroid use. It is a Schedule III drug in the US and the FDA would not permit human testing. Most studies are on cases where people did suffer from some of these ailments, but there is no valid evidence against A.A.S. when you have no idea what else contributes (i.e. no control), especially for guys like me who take 8 other supplements as well. Shoot, most the BCAA pills I take do damage to the liver too. Heart and liver? Milk thistle, omega 3 krill oil, cardio, and diet. You take a risk or you stick to vitamins and protein. I get where u are coming from though Jedi, but don't trip bro. You'll be fine. A lot of it is propaganda, especially where we are from. It's just Test. Don't get me wrong. U r putting more in your body that you probably shouldn't, but c'mon. Just be clean, be safe, and lab grade. We are all here to help each other out. You just "worry" too much. You are gonna give yourself phantom sides. lol!

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