So I've been doing my HW and decided to go wit test E 500mg EW1-10..EQ 600mg EW 1-10... Then winni 50mg ED 5-10...clomid 100mg for two weeks then 50mg for another two weeks..while running nolva at 40mg ED for 45 days but I would like to add hcg where could I work this in and would it even be needed?

Well alot of people like to run eq for 14-16 weeks to acheive the best results and run the test out to 20 when running them together.The best range for the eq is 600-800mg a week to get the best results from it and i wouldn t add a anti e unless you need it until pct.Some people run hcg threw out cycle and others just use it after to kickstart your natural test before pct.I know alot of people have debated this subject for years and both can see the others side of the debate but me personally would use it to kickstart after a cycle.

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Thanks meat nice info

think 12 weeks is the min on that one
eq for 12 and test for 14 or 15wk
HCG can be done at 500iu a wk take vit e with it makes it work better
you can start form week 3 if you want .. personally i think preventing shut done is better then having to restart ..but to each there own i'm actually just starting my HCG and i'm around week 8.

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Thanks grow once more alot of useful info maybe I could shoot u a pm for some more details?

Well not to contradict you IW2G but hgc shuts down certain aspects of your natural test so how can anybody really say it helps you from being shutdown?If your worried about shrinkage of the boys tribulus while on does the same (keeps the boys full)and costs alot less.Just my 2 cents

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Nice thanks meat but how efficient is hcg for pct? And should it be included in pct

Generally people do not use it for pct
basically what it does is mimics the LH signal for your boys and if your trying to get your hpta axis you don't want to be suppress any part of it (hpta)

Sorry meathead i wasn't clear, im not saying hcg prevents shut down of your HPTA but more to the effect that it keep your boys awake and producing sperm and test as it is a fertility drug. Thus making it easier for you to recover form cycle because it doesn't take as long for your boys to wake up again and when your stimulating your hpta with clomid or nova your boys are more receptive to it.

GG if you do want to use it in pct here is the only example i know of it being used
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/article...le-therapy.htm

personally i would head for something more like the PoWer PCt program as it is the only clinically test pct program
https://www.hypermuscles.com/f90/power-pct-1167/

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I gotta question grow... I read tht article about the power pct and the chart at the bottom was a little unclear as far as the hcg part goes it says 500 units everyday for 3 weeks or am I mistaken?