So what about "delayed gyno" and the products you mentioned?

Also, I heard that most pro hormones out there that don't need any cycle assist or pct are normally to mild to get any gains from

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delayed gyno would not happen since there is no conversion. That happens when running a compound that aromatizes and once your AI wears off and estrogen levels rebound.
any prohormone needs to be taken with on cycle support

Thats not what he asked, he asked about delayed gyno,
Delayed gyno is caused by estrogen suppression during the cycle and then causing a rebound after the cycle

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that is what i said no?

Delayed gyno is caused by an estrogen rebound. This is pretty common with compounds that don't convert to estrogen themselves. On cycle, prohormones and designer steroids can cause suppression of endogenous testosterone production, meaning low test on cycle. Less test levels means less aromatizing into estrogen, so estrogen levels are low as well. During post-cycle, as test levels return, estrogen can return in a "rebounding" spike that can cause gyno. This seems more common when an AI is used for PCT as this keeps estrogen levels suppressed even longer; when the AI is removed, estrogen levels spike up dramatically and cause gyno.

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