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Old 04-07-2014, 07:02 PM
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If you're anything like me then it's the carbs you eat that make you fat. Now I'm in my fifties I accept that I just can't do the amount of cardio I used to do in order to keep the extra weight off and I put most of my effort into weight training.

So my suggestion, if none of what's already been suggested works, is (until you've lost the weight you want to lose) to concentrate of training with weights, eat a reasonable amount of slow burning carbs before and fast burning carbs immediately after (within 15 minutes apparently) and drastically cut back the rest of the time. Only you can judge how much that should be to balance it against your output in the gym. You should be trying to get your body into fat burning mode by drastically cutting back while using the pre and post workout window, where you should be able to refuel your muscles and not your gut, to at least give yourself a chance at a half decent workout.

Your workouts will definitely not be as intense with the reduction in carbs but as long as you don't overdo it you should be ok.

The 500mg of test EW will prevent muscle loss and in my experience will actually add some even with the calorie deficit that will come from cutting back on the carbs.

I'm not suggesting you do this long term, but if done properly should result in some dramatic fat loss fairly quickly and you can then add carbs back slowly while increasing your workout intensity.

If you find yourself eating carbs just to fuel excessive cardio, then this is my short term alternative. Don't be afraid to eat good fats either. You'll need to get energy from somewhere.

Obviously, if I've read it wrong and you are bulking up or trying to break personal records in the gym or you just love cardio then ignore everything I've said and shoot some tren instead.

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Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you mean by slow & fast burning carbs? I'm thinking you're meaning either polysaccharides for "slow burning" and either mono or disaccharides for "fast burning"?

From my physiology classes as an undergraduate, I know you have Polysaccharides, which are carb molecules composed of long chains of monosaccharides (complex carbs), and mono, disaccharide, and oligosaccharides which are shorter chain carbs (simple carbs).

Since carbs in and of themselves aren't directly burned as energy, but converted to glucose, where they then enter the tricarboxylic acid cycle with the end outcome being ATP, ATP then is the fuel for most all functions, I'm wondering why eating short chain carbs within 15 minutes of a workout is better for weight loss, than eating complex carbs after a workout, where it costs more energy for the body to break down the complex carbs?

If you think about it, how would the body differentiate between 15 minutes, and 17 minutes after a workout? Would any carbohydrate intake that takes place after 15 minutes be for naught?

Additionally think about the time it needs to take for the body to digest the carbs in the stomach, transport the carbs through the bloodstream, further breakdown the carbs, and then go through the citric acid cycle to produce ATP.

I'm really writing this for the sake of dialogue, and perhaps I can learn something different.

When I was dieting for bodybuilding shows, I reduced my simple carb intake and stuck mostly with complex carbs, as it takes more energy for the body to produce energy from complex carbs.

I certainly don't profess to be an expert on the subject.

I do agree with your advice to reduce your overall carbohydrate intake if you are not able to do much cardio.
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