We are all considered to be, the end user. So as an end user it pretty obvious I'm simply telling the truth with my blood work post here and the numbers the doctors told me. That being said, your inplication is that the juice and or the pills are weak and not up to par. This is the only way one would intreperate your information replies. I'll contact my doctor office to ask him about my Test numbers again but I'm almost certain he said it was in the high 1500 range.