Hey thanks for the info. I think the 20/20 goal is a little unrealistic, I am wondering what you think I could do realistically? I am wondering if I should bulk up first then cut down or can I loose fat while gaining muscle. What would be a better approach? I was suggested to run prop 14 weeks with primo then last 6 weeks winny. Clomid pct. little worried about the EOD pins with prop, could I use winny with sust at the end to cut down the extra I gained.

Would a goal for 14 weeks on this be to bulk up around 10-15 lbs then drop 5-10lbs fat in the last 6-8 weeks? If not what is a realistic goal? I've been on a great routine of eating and lifting and feel ready to really push myself even further.

Thank again,
Ole