Thanks MH,
I'll show him this post. Waiting on other supps to arrive then he is changing everything up to this new workout and see what happens. In your opinion ..he does get a workout at his job, hangs beltline, which is very heavy...and sweats like crazy...so more carbs or protein? He is low bodyfat without even trying, huge shoulders, legs need more bulk and he wants to be thicker. So if he gets a workout at work should he do shoulders and back less at gym or just lift a different way?

I Have always been around BB's but his situation is new to me, usually people want to shed bodyfat.

I need to tone and lose about 20 more pounds to be happy but we women are never happy...lol.

I appreciate all your help.
Also sent you a PM.