Thanks Gunny! Im old school bro,IMO the best time to start running gear is when you have it,the best time to come off gear totally is never! I have never understood why guys want to take gear so they can stop being normal,then cycle off so the can go back to being normal again!..dont throw the health issues at me,i come down after i run alot,but never come off.once i made a choice to run gear 20yrs ago it was a life long choice! i choose to not be normal! But hey thats jus me..i guess its not for everybody!..to your question,i always run an oral to kick start a big cycle,but i run an oral the whole cycle,i jus switch them up..for this one i started with A50,then swtiched to Dbol,ill finish with winny tabs!..everything a growing boy needs! Stay healthy bro!