Hey old dog how many cycles have you done. tren is some heavy stuff mate. but would like to know myself you would get some great results from the longer ester trenshuge strength incress when they kick in and could help woth fatloss to some degree tren ace kicks in quick like prop if your going to do tren stick with ace to see how the sides are with you cause if the sides are bad and you have the longer ester trens in your system you would be in a for a rough time mate