Olddog,
I have done two cycles before this one both using Genza. I experienced minor pip for the first three weeks and smooth and painless pins for the remainder of the cycle. So I think its safe to say its this product. As I stated before I dug around on other forms and found other people experinceing the same thing we are. And some use with out any side effects at all. I wouldnt get discouraged there are plenty of good products out there from the sponsors here. At least we know to stay away kalpa Next time.