ok so tell me why you would take anything without a test base. test is what makes a man a man. just dont make sense to me. he will keep very little gains. mostly water. the old school way is less effective. imo his hormone levels will be unstable because the halflife of b-dol is 4 hours. why not feel great on test use d-bol as a kick start for a safer length of time like 4 weeks because it is toxic. yes i did mean 20mg a day for 4 wks.lol